tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3706868407157129107.post4723918577730569672..comments2024-03-21T12:31:51.100+02:00Comments on Hava haAharona - The Last Eve - חוה האחרונה: What Is “Pro-Israel”?HDG, Yerushalayim, E"Y Shlemahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10943174572566458612noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3706868407157129107.post-589189077369999892016-05-18T23:53:53.758+03:002016-05-18T23:53:53.758+03:00Anon: "Many of the Jews who are pro Israel ha...Anon: "Many of the Jews who are pro Israel have very little Jewish knowledge but understand it only as a safe haven for the Jewish people and that the state only came about because of the shoah."<br /><br />That's exactly how I started out, too. As a child in chu"l I never got the chance to speak with Jewish adults who knew more of the story. Only later did the pieces come together. We all have to start somewhere. Hopefully there will be more opportunities like when R' Yosef Mizrachi came here (back home, for him) and got a lot of young Israelis' interest.<br /><br />I'm sorry I missed out on Israel in earlier times. But soon it will be much better, be"H. Thanks for commenting!<br /><br />Dassie, thank you so much for your observations and kind words. I'm also part of that group that would like America to stop funding - I mean choking - us, and wants the world to leave us alone! Actually, the American military are probably supporting all the military bases they have here as much as anything else; Tomer Devorah has a lot on this; so does Israel Truth Times. Now, those, I wish would somehow disappear or become ineffective! They say they're for our good, but it's just as easy to use them for opposite purposes. Like, to let the Iranians know when we're firing back.<br /><br />But to your main point, I volunteered with a Jewish Federation's hasbara team back in the old country and saw what you're talking about first hand, the support of policies that end up being harmful to Jews who live here. It seemed to me that they focused so much on grabbing the center of American opinion that they forgot to consider the effect on their object of concern, which is us over here.HDG, Yerushalayim, E"Y Shlemahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10943174572566458612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3706868407157129107.post-53009860324058272972016-05-17T14:14:14.082+03:002016-05-17T14:14:14.082+03:00Great insights as usual, Hava, and I agree with th...Great insights as usual, Hava, and I agree with the above comment, too.<br /><br />It was also pointed out to me by a comment on Tomer Devorah blog (I can't remember where or by who--anyway, I think it was anonymous) that the Liberal hedonistic Jewish celebrities who label themselves as "pro-Israel" are just seeing the secular-run State as a Jew-flavored refuge for their own scummy values.<br /><br />I think that is very true and also what you described here. As the above comment indicates, a lot of pro-Israel Jews are ignorant and don't wholly embrace Jewish values. If you are a secular Leftist, Israel is the most comfortable Middle Eastern country to be in. And that's why pro-Israel supporters actually support policies that are so bad and even deadly for Eretz Yisraelis.<br /><br />I also appreciate your point about people and organizations consciously calling themselves "pro-Israel" so that they can actually destroy Israel. I hadn't considered that.<br /><br />I really like your advice toward the end. At this point, I also feel like telling those you mentioned in the post: "For the love of God, please just leave us alone."<br />I'm also with the growing group that would like to put a stop to the American-rooted financial influx used to handcuff us. <br /><br />Thank you.<br /><br />P.S. I also really like Nonie Darwish.Myrtle Rising (Dassie)http://www.myrtlerising.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3706868407157129107.post-50349931117407331642016-05-16T21:36:47.816+03:002016-05-16T21:36:47.816+03:00Being pro Israel today has little meaning for the ...Being pro Israel today has little meaning for the Jew who understands and knows what Israel 'really' means to the Jew. Many of the Jews who are pro Israel have very little Jewish knowledge but understand it only as a safe haven for the Jewish people and that the state only came about because of the shoah. At least up to the early 90's, Israel had a Jewish flavor; it no longer does as it is now a copy of the U.S. and the western world. Being pro Israel up to that time was a Jewish thing (except for the ultra-chareidi sects). We need to know that the only thing that kept the Jewish people alive as a nation and as a people is the Torah; without Torah, it becomes just another country. Of course, the kedusha is always in E.Y., for H's Shchinah is in E.Y. from the beginning of the year to the end of the year. We are now at that time when the klipah of the state has taken a strong hold, thus having reached a low level, but this has all been foretold and will eventually soon shed its klipah and will return to its true Jewish roots and never again be subjugated to the nations, but only to H'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com