Showing posts with label clarification. Show all posts
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07 January 2025

Envy and Jealousy: What's the difference? Part 3

 7 Tevet 5785 | ז' טבת ה'תשפ"ה


 





 
I have been living with the following idea for the past two years or so: The jealousy of the Living God is a good and desirable thing!
 
How am I supposed to understand this? It seems that a jealous being wouldn't be so desirable (Much less God, being this way). It could also, or instead, be the misuse of jealousy in some way.
 
...What is it?
 
Having been a native English speaker for well over 60 years, I can attest to the change in the understanding of the relationship between the words jealousy and envy in my first language. They were once very distinguishable, and now, it seems, they are not, according to dictionary definitions and the majority of people, which is as likely as not to have engendered the decision to change the definition, particularly of jealousy
 
I believe it must have started when I was a teenager. My husband, only 8 years older than I, clearly believes in the classic definition, and passed it on to me relatively recently (like, a couple of years ago at this writing).
 
The words we are discussing in the Biblical Hebrew (known as Lashon haQodesh לשון הקודש in the original) are as follows (the polite way):
 
  • HaShem Kanáh (קאל קנא) = God is jealous  
  • Lo Tahmód (לא תחמוד) = Do not covet [and I also translate as a synonym, do not envy.  - HDG]
 

As you can see from the Hebrew words themselves, there is no commandment that says, do not be jealous. But it does say, do not covet (or, envy) — twice, for good measure — and it goes further later in the sentence and spells out what you should not desire for yourself which belongs, or is in relationship to, another. 

Coveting and envying, if left to fester, both end in stealing and worse. We might want to take a tip from the Hebrew words, which have not even a single letter in common.

As I wrote above (in part 1), modern Hebrew shares our confusion. The Hebrew Language Academy (HLA) hasn't accepted the translation above of tahmod...yet. So, the conflating of these words has the effect of putting God in a bad light, even in translations between Hebrew and English.

 
It seems to me that He is accused of coveting, the prohibition of which is the last of the 10 Commandments! 
 
How do I think that come about (or is this even an original thought)?

When jealousy and envy are interchangeable, it means that the subject of either of these words is coveting the object. A person covets their own spouse or their neighbor's car. It makes no difference. It means that there are no boundaries on either side. This is why we must keep these words apart, as they used to be, and still are in the Biblical Hebrew that is mostly studied by Jews (and Noahides, within their own boundaries). 
 
One of the outcomes of the confusion of these terms is the translation of the modern Hebrew term קנאי (ka-na-EE) in modern English dictionaries as both jealous and envious (from my 17-year-old Oxford Hebrew-English dictionary. Google Translate on my phone translates envious as מקנה m'ka-NEH. Same root, different form. Only the emphasis changes.) 
 
To the Hebrew Language Academy, I would suggest the verb lahmód לחמוד for to envy, as well as to covet, to which it already translates. It would have the proper emphasis on the person wanting to possess what is not his/hers, which was the original English meaning, as well as the Hebrew.
 
 
It's important to note that the person finding him- or herself jealous has the relationship (most appropriately, the marriage), the work contract, owns the home, the land, etc., so there are boundaries around what s/he has and must protect. The envious person, on the other hand, has potentially no boundaries about what s/he will do to appropriate (i.e., steal) the property or person of another, and has no valid relationship or ownership with the object of their coveting. The same feelings apply, but the relationships between the jealous and the covetous/envious people and their object(s) are opposites. 
 
To clarify, I'm not saying that everyone who envies another is stealing the object of their envy actively. But at the very least, they wish they could, if they're honest with themselves. Most, if not all, of us have tendencies in this direction at some time or another. And, yes, I include myself as well, at one time or another.

I might assume that these feelings and traits are more associated with men, but I didn't want to exclude women! We have these struggles too.

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We have a short review of a few of the top definitions cited online.
 
 I think this site is very confused as to the difference. It's not a matter of what it feels like, but whether the writer can clearly distinguish them.
 
This site is much less confused about the definition, with the exception that at the bottom of the page, it considers Christians to be the "owner" of  the Jealous God (the quote from that site is "In the Bible, you can find reference to a jealous God in Exodus 20:4-5. In this context jealousy is used to mean worshiping only the one true Christian God and not other Gods.") 
 
Comment from me:
Par-don-Me!?! Jews — particularly those who have actually read and studied them — are jealous over our understanding of God and the texts He gave us. Considering that the reference is in Exodus (as linked to above), a clearly Jewish text that we call SH'MOT שמות in Hebrew, after its first key word, with a plainly Jewish context ("the Exodus from Egypt") that people who know it don't deny, I find it outrageous. It only adds to the confusion, this exclusion of Jews from their prerogative of JEALOUSY OVER THE LAND (that Jared Kushner recently claimed we were "eating up" in the context of the USA's "2-state solution" plan) as well as over who GOD is. 
 
No, we don't own HIM. HE made the original covenant with US, the Jews.  
 
He doesn't change His mind! His perspective is FOREVER! Our government would not be successful at gaining any part of the Land He promised us, from around us, if He were not involved. They don't even desire to do so; they are doing some of the job because of the request referred to in the above video, and under threat at the same time.
 
It's not a matter of political correctness, either, dear reader, in case you're wondering. It's a matter of the fact that there were neither Christians nor Muslims around during the times of the Israelite emancipation from the slavery of the Egyptians. But there were Ishmaelites, as well as other desert-dwellers. The Ishmaelites drove caravans, along with other nations, to Egypt quite frequently. And between them and the Midianites, they carried Joseph to Mitzrayim (its Hebrew name) when he was sold some 200 years prior.
 
Consider what I wrote 5 years ago, here and here. I also commented here (R' Sprecher's "Pharaoh — The Original Anti-Semite!").
 
It seems to me that both Islam and Christianity need to appropriate the "Jealous God" from the Jews because they just can't let go of the "Old Testament"...just try to imagine either of them without the Five Books of Moses, the Writings and the Prophets, even as they ignore and disdain them.

Back to the definitions...
 
6 Main Differences between Jealousy and Envy also is very clear, and doesn't carry the religious baggage. 
 
More links in this SEARCH Decide for yourself whether other sites are clear or confused on this issue. From the clear definitions comes the opinion that envy and jealousy deal with a lot of the same stories and scenarios, but differ regarding the point of view. This is important when considering Whom we are discussing.

TO SUM UP
 
Jealousy is generally about something you possess or own — a quality or an item — or a relationship you actually have, being appropriated or stolen by someone else. A close synonym is zeal.
 
Envy is about wanting to possess or own — or have a relationship with — something that, or someone who, is not yours to relate to, have or own. 
 
Covet, and its various forms, the word in English used to denote the subject of the Tenth Commandment, is associated with the latter.

While many people — and even dictionaries in English — consider jealousy and envy synonymous nowadays, when it comes to certain issues...studying Torah in its original ancient language comes to mind, and bringing it to modern minds has been the next step...it is important to separate out the differences.  
 
Only the desire to be as precise as I can possibly be, along with "life" itself, has delayed me. And, I still think I may have failed. It is, as I wrote in the beginning, a difficult subject. More than anything else, I would like to see people thinking about it
 
Maybe you have a better way of expressing it?
 
One of the outcomes of the confusion of these terms is the translation of the modern Hebrew term קנאי (ka-na-EE) in modern English dictionaries as both jealous and envious (from my 17-year-old Oxford Hebrew-English dictionary. Google Translate on my phone translates envious as מקנה m'ka-NEH. Same root, different form. Only the emphasis changes.) 
 
To the Hebrew Language Academy, I would suggest the verb lah-MODE לחמוד for to envy, as well as to covet, to which it already translates. It would have the proper emphasis on the person wanting to possess what is not his/hers, which was the original English meaning, as well as the Hebrew. 

The Tenth Commandment agrees; or rather, I agree with it: Lo tahmod לא תחמוד.
 
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Part 1 | Part 2 | Part 4 

01 December 2024

Envy and Jealousy: What's the difference? Part 2

The light of 1 Kislev 5785 |  אור א כסלו ה'תשפ"ה
Happy Rosh Hodesh | חודש טוב ומבורך

 
 
So, here we are, with a video below each of four (4) descriptions illustrating some of the distinguishing features between jealousy and envy in everyday life. Keeping the definitions mixed together, as they have been since at least the late 1950s to early 1960s, has muddled our understanding of what is, and what should be as well.
 
I'm going slowly because, although the concept I'm conveying is a classic definition, many people today haven't grown up with it, and therefore don't understand it. I was one of them too, until my husband showed me the truth about the division between jealousy and envy — and we're less than a decade apart in age; it's a possible indicator to me of when the confusion started. The way we look at the status of our relationships, and how we deal with that, in large part, is determined by how well we understand what we're looking at, and what the other person — whether friend or neighbor, boss or partner, spouse or child...etc... is saying is happening.

Dear reader, I don't blame you if you're one of these. It's for you that I'm taking the time to take it apart and put it back together the way it should be. These are a few illustrations of the definitions; the next post contains definitions in my own words and how they apply to a relationship with God, and the one that follows points to the definitions one can find online.

Like I said above, this is a slow process. Please bear with me.

Let's begin...

 David Watts by  Sir Ray Davies of the Kinks - a real life story from when Davies and his brother were young and looked up to him; it is described as pure envy.
 

 

No One Else by Weezer - This video has lyrics embedded in the video. It is described as small-minded jealousy on the part of the guy singing. I agree that it is about jealousy, not envy. 
 
But, clearly, it is misplaced. I don't know about you, but from what I can tell, they're not married and it seems like she left him, so what's the problem? Why is he crying that he wants a different kind of girl, when he still calls the subject of this song his girl? And can't he speak for himself? "Tell her it's over" is not the way to tell someone it's over. Or is it just that he's the one who hasn't received the text or email? 
 
(Oh, wait, this is from a few decades ago...maybe a handwritten note was left on the kitchen table? 🖊 😉)

This may be a partial explanation of why "institutional," documented intimate relationships between men and women are a must. When I was younger, people were less likely to take them seriously; and now, it seems even far less likely. The few who took it seriously (waiting for marriage to act married, observing other relationships carefully to see whom they wanted to emulate if their parents weren't doing so well) are more likely to have progeny now (grandchildren and great-grandchildren) than those who didn't, or were unable to think through how they were going to proceed through life. I say likelihood, not certainty, because other factors come into play as well.
 
That said, I feel and hear the pain of adopted and foster children, whether legally done or not. My own mother and her two older brothers were either foster children or adopted — each by a different family. I still don't know the whole story. Mom loved the four younger children she grew up with; among other things, she fought the neighborhood bullies who tried to harm them when they were little. But her original family was torn apart, savaged by the government of the city they all grew up in. I am fortunate enough to have met some of my mother's original family and descendants at different times of my life, but we are not close. My uncles both passed away some years ago.

The worst part, for Jewish families who have foster and adopted children, is that these people need to know their real ancestry in order to perform their actual roles in the religious framework, among other things, when they grow up. 
 
I understand that in Israel we don't encourage adoption. Instead, children who lose their parents are given to their closest relatives who can take them. This may prove to be too simplistic, but it's what I was told when I first arrived here. I haven't seen how this is done, but I hope that either I don't have to, or that I would be ready to take mine, if I must.

All in HaShem's hands...




 
 
Who Is He (And What Is He to You) by Bill Withers. This is mainly jealousy and partly envy because the woman is his by relationship, but the man staring him down on the street, and her looking down, spells trouble ahead...and envy because of that man's ability to steal her heart from him. (What is she in the song's "real life," wife or live-in girlfriend? Not so clear.)
 
This song is the most similar, in modern terms, to parshat Pinchas and the one before, that tells the story of when our ancestors betrayed God by worshiping entities other than Him  — the spiritual equivalent of giving your heart to another instead of your spouse. If it is your spouse, better to divorce first...but be sure you know what you're doing! As the song says, "Before you wreck your old home, be certain of the new." 
 
 

 
My husband (bless him!) thinks this song, Jealous by Labrinth, is the best, word-wise, for defining jealousy. As I see it: Jealousy for what was; now that the female subject of this song is no longer with him — and happy without him — there is a measure of envy for a future that doesn't include him.



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I hope you enjoyed these videos. As you might be able to see, while jealousy and envy are involved in a lot of the same issues, they are quite opposite in one important way: One seeks to protect what he/she has (jealousy), while the other wants to take what someone else has for him/herself (envy). 
 
Sometimes a person can have both at the same time! And sometimes one of these can be hidden, as in last week's Torah portion, Toledoth, when the Philistines are "kanai" over land that they had farmed previously and not succeeded, and along comes Yitzhak and reaps 100-fold of what he sowed in the land (it doesn't say how he got it, so I'm not sure whether he owned it or not).

The point here is that the Torah (see video in the first part if you haven't already) sees the need for regulating relationships between human beings and their property, as well as their family and friends in order to avoid some of the problems noted in the videos.
 
Among other things, that's why living together, "shacking up," or whatever it's called today (I admit that I may be out of touch with current terminology), is not such a great idea. It brings on a lot of these problems without acceptable solutions on its own. 

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Our relationship with The Eternal God is something else altogether. Putting Him in the position of envy is, to say the very least, not a good idea! It might get you killed...as it did with the Hebrews in the desert when they strayed from Him, who left Him with...dare I suggest...envy of what these lesser beings, these so-called, FAKE gxds of the Midianites, could do to TAKE HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE AWAY FROM HIM! How DARE they!

But...what about the ones who responded to their call and let them do it? They had already heard the 10 Commandments...the first one of which is Have no other gxds before Me!

(...which I find interesting to translate the original Hebrew על פני (al pa-NÁI) according to this colloquialism: Don't have other gxds in My Face! Because everything is always "in His Face.")
 
No wonder He was angry enough to kill thousands. I think that some people may have been in that situation themselves in some way, never imagining that this, writ very large, is what the Almighty encountered and dealt with in His inimitable way.
 
I hope to describe and explain the difference further in future posts, if this one doesn't suffice. I feel that this difference is an important part of what will be highlighted in the nearest future, perhaps in the coming year, as we continue to go through the big sorting process known as birur in Hebrew. 

Many of us have been confused because these words have been presented to us as synonyms. I hope I've been able to clarify that they are actually antonyms, involved in the same issues.

See you in part 3, be"H!

 
 
 

 

 
 

19 November 2024

Envy and Jealousy: What's the difference? Part 1

 18 Heshvan 5785 | י"ח חשון ה'תשפ"ה
 
 
 

 
Introduction
 
I'm not even sure I can give this topic the justice it deserves. Please bear with me, because it's very close to my heart, and it has primarily to do with a proper understanding of how we should view HQB"H, in light of the revelation that He is "a jealous God." When the time comes for geula, I believe that HaShem will be looking for not only common decency and common courtesy, but also loyalty most of all, especially from those of us who have returned to Him and attached ourselves to Him.
 
In addition to this, we will be exploring how our understanding of these words affects how we conduct our relationships with one another: mostly friendships, marriage and family.  As a result of the confusion caused by the conflating of the two, many tragedies have taken place due to mishandling, that possibly need not have happened.
 
Things have been going too fast for me; that's why it has taken SO LONG to post this very important article. It's been over two years, and is turning into a series; you will see other parts very soon, be"H, b"n.
 
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There's a famous song called Jealousy, by Frankie Miller. The one I liked the best when I searched for it, the remastered version, looks better than the original because the lip-syncing matches; I almost chose it, but I'm making sure that the videos I link to here have minimal distracting images because the message I'm trying to bring here is vital, probably the most vital I have ever written about. Rock and roll and its descendants on video tend to get crazy visually, but it's the emotions I'm after in this series. Even the parts that look like they're out of a high school dance are too distracting.
 
This version of the song is the best I've seen visually, by another band with musical fidelity to the original. That said, at times like this I wish there were a way to put audio-only files on this format, besides the videos with one static picture all the way through (like these in the next post). I have no knowledge of how to cut videos to suit, either, like at least one of my blogging colleagues does. Am I jealous of her or am I envious? Hopefully, by the time you get to read it and absorb the information, you will be able to decide with certainty.
 
I have found that there is great confusion as to what jealousy even means. It gets mixed up with envy all the time, at least in American English and, I have found, in other languages as well, including modern Hebrew. Why? Because Israel follows America even to the point of changing that which is designated not to be changed. Both emotions, even properly identified, get mixed together in our modern day, perhaps because the concepts themselves are not well-defined any more. We have gotten away from the original intention haShem had when He announced the Commandments on Har Sinai. 
 
(Have you watched the video above? It is the very best version of the 10 Commandments in Hebrew that I've ever heard.)
 
I return to my rock-and-roll roots (pre-teshuva, of course) in the next post — even though the songs themselves are from later than my time, and I had not heard them prior to putting this post together — to illustrate what I mean. None of the videos are religious in nature, but at bottom they certainly show an aspect of the mark of the Creator. 
 
As others have said: Truth is His signature. 
 
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